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Post by beef on Sept 7, 2008 11:51:41 GMT -5
........ plus more ....... and ,,,,,,,, with """""" and CAPS LOCK.
You should really go back to primary school. You type like An aH bEnG In Sg WiTH ALl tHoSe CaPs aNd MiLlIoNs Of ........dOtSs........ You can be their clan boss or something! HAHA.
Aren't you narcissistic ? Aren't you corrupted in your thinking with all those pussies-filled thoughts? Aren't you jaded? Aren't you vain? Aren't you selfish? (because you obviously intrudes other people's privacy.) Aren't you what you said?
You stated facts that you are someone like that. And you blame everyone else except for yourself.
Some people just don't face the fact that they're just weasels.
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Post by Pammy on Sept 9, 2008 17:37:02 GMT -5
Okie, not gonna say much, coz I need to sleep.
Just saying a little point to note. If we're quoting the bible and religion on this thing. Didn't the bible say more about acceptance, compassion and love than homosexuality?
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Post by Sam on Sept 9, 2008 17:37:48 GMT -5
You are absolutely right, Skot.
A shoplifter is always ready with a 'defence' , and 'excuse' , by which to 'rationalise' their act.
We are actually "defending" ourselves.
But before the "defending" even comes about there has to be the "accusing". What makes a shoplifter a shoplifter? Who started this whole rule that stealing was wrong? Man. Who will apprehend these shoplifters? Man. Which came first? Saying stealing is wrong or the act of stealing? It's a cycle, isn't it? It's as good as asking whether the egg or the chicken came first.
Stealing is wrong. We all know that. But does that mean that just by criminalizing shoplifters people are just going to stop stealing altogether? No. That's why policemen have jobs. That's why you are here, Skot. If there were no people doing the "wrong" thing would you think there would be people who are deemed to be "right" and vice versa? Committing suicide is a punishable crime (at least here in Singapore) but the number of deaths by suicide are still increasing!
We're teenagers, we're young. We hate to be driven to a corner, we hate to be locked up in a tiny space. The more schools disallow us to bring our cell phones, the more we would find ways and means to sneak them in. The more my parents hated me to get piercings and tattoos the more I went around secretly getting them done. But does that change the fact that I love them? No. And they love me back still. They are my parents and they love me. I don't need your love, I don't need your advice. I am happy being who am I and being in a happy family.
Please do not embarrass yourself further by continuing this argument with us. Do not attempt to belittle us, as young as we might be, by trying to use flowery language to dance around your point which you are repeating time and again. Do not assume that we are like other young homosexuals that you might have preyed upon that do not comprehend your use of extensive (and not to mention, redundant) vocabulary. Because in fact, despite our huge age difference, we CAN out-talk you.
Love, Sam.
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Post by Sam on Sept 9, 2008 17:47:30 GMT -5
And I have to add,
Please, stop thinking so much of yourself and so little of us with the "I could out-sarcasm you around the tree all day long , I could sarcasm you into the ground" yada yada.
We might be much younger, we might be asian, but don't assume we're ignorant dimwits.
Pam, Den, Ada and I, we all have a strong(er) command of the English Language. That's just 4 of us (who happened to be really close back in school), not mentioning the rest that might be homosexual, bisexual or straight and who might be posting or merely reading this board. So please stop thinking you can out-talk us just because of your long droning posts and (might I repeat) redundant use of extensive vocabulary.
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Post by Skot on Sept 11, 2008 21:07:02 GMT -5
No, you are completely, and absolutely, wrong.
Everything you are doing, is wrong.
You know it's wrong.
And every excuse you try to put forward is wrong.
Everything you write about your wrong behaviour, is pitched as exactly that.....that it is the wrong thing....but with variants on the "but other people do wrong things/it's our choice to do the wrong thing/what's it got to do with you if we do the wrong thing/we know it's wrong, but......." theme which is trotted out.
And you have to.......you know that there is no way that vain, selfish "same sex" behaviour can ever be spoken of as being 'natural' or 'normal', God forbid.
Please, DO NOT try an pass yourself off now as "innocent' young teens, maybe just 'having fun' ,being "oppressed" by some "ogre". Don't try and pass yourself off as naive 'teens', or as some 'radical new generation' , whom no-one else can understand. Your vain, your selfish, your obnoxious.....that's very easy to undertsand.
And your youthful 'naivette' is not some mere pop-group fandom, or partying just a bit too much. No, you're getting into a really abhorrent, very vulgar, and very "adult" depravity. And there are more than enough older scumbags at "herstory", at "play", on 'sayoni' or 'fridae, and in so many other places, who are more than "happy' to lure you further down that very dark path.
You're very good looking, you're vain, superficial....you expect the easiest of easy"lives"....and it isn't good!
And it hurts !
It burns like hell to seee you doing this. You cannot make this seem good and civil, and "alright"...because it isn't !
I'm not going to take anymore rubbish......NO, you do not have a greater command of English than me, NO you cannot express yourself better than me. I have to break it to you......having "sex" with your own gender, getting regularly blind drunk, getting high'stoned, entering garish "same sex" "pageants", being rude, arrogant and direspectful, "loving" yourself, doing "whatever you want".....does not automatically qualify you as a genius!
I can tell, at one point, you and I would have gotten along really well Sam. God damn these accursed times, and the ignorant vanity which is taking over so many , such as yourself.
Pam, the compassion spken of in the Bible, and any other scripture, DOES NOT involve laying down, playing dead, and just accepting every unnecessary insult which people inflict!
You are not 'defending yourselves' Sam, because this vain new "choice" is NOT 'yourselves' !
And you just "loving" yourselves....and even your parents maybe , begrudgingly, "tolerating" your new 'choices'...is NOT the point......the world, society, is much bigger than that!
Please don't tell me not to write here anymore - YOU started this forum ! And YOU decided to commit this sin, and boast about it !
I'm here defending good - for everyone !
SKOT
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Post by Sam on Sept 12, 2008 12:14:52 GMT -5
Seems like the part of "everyone" that you are trying to "defend" isn't really apparent. What do you know about the society we live in? Believe it or not, here in Singapore, more people are tolerant of homosexuality than not, so what are you trying to prove?
What makes you think you can express yourself better than any of us can do? The fact that you are Caucasian?
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Post by Skot on Sept 12, 2008 18:44:20 GMT -5
YOU said that you can express yourself better than me, right? In your last dose of arrogant ignorance? And what makes you think that.....because you're a female?
You're asking if I can express myself better in English, because I'm Caucasian?
Partially, Yes! And I am articulate, soulful, well read, informed, knowledgable, inquisitive, poetic and fluent.......and right !
Though I suppose you are going to try and paint this as a racial, or even racist, thing now....right? I wouldn't ask if a Chinese could express themselves better ij Chinese, because they are Chinese.
And . . . .S O W H A T if more people are feeling forced to be "tolerant" of all this "homosexuality" ?!
It does not make it right.
And there's the point.....a person can only be tolerant, of a BAD thing ! By definition !
And this selfish "lifestyle" has NO good cause, is utterly indulgent, and therefore there is NO good reason for people to have to 'tolerate' this intolerable insult!
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Post by Me the nerd on Sept 13, 2008 1:48:51 GMT -5
Okay, okay people, let's not get too firey here (or whatever). First off, I've been reading this through and honestly, I'm confused about what your reasoning is, Skot. Poetry and flowery words aside, what exactly is your reasoning? Sorry if I seem to just barge in, but getting worked up isn't going to help anything so I see no point in doing so. As such, if you could CALMLY, LOGICALLY, and without the jump-arounds, provide your reasoning WHY this is wrong and WHY the two answering are wrong, then that would be appreciated. Thanks and again, sorry for just barging in like this
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Post by Skot on Sept 13, 2008 2:16:44 GMT -5
Hello Me, But don't call yourself a 'nerd'. I don't like either people who get downtrodden and feel the need to refer to themselves as a nerd, OR that kind of Bill Gates "nerd/geek power" stuff that some other people push.
Just be Me(you).
And you're not 'barging in'. This forum was set up very vainly by Sam as a way to 'defend' and promote their new found 'fabulous' "homosexuality" and "lesbianism". Which is something I have been fighting against across many web and blog sites. Hers was one of the many, depressing, sites I came across, where this horridly arrogant perversity is being boasted about and shwon off....and my counterattack to it there, and the 'debate' that elicited, overwhelmed that chat box. So this forum was brought about.
Anyone is welcome to a conversation, and I am passionate about conversation.
O.K, ME, I'm hoping that you haven't been too brainwashed by trendy 'P.C.' rhetoric, and by "hot" this all is........but, think about what is going on. Think about the insultingly arrogant depravity being indulged in, and you'll know what my reasoning is. You should know that the truth of life, the foundation of life, the centre of society, is man and woman. Then you should know my reasoning. Think, and feel, properly, about the awful vanity, the conceited indulgence, being wrought by those getting into inverted "same sex" lifestyles. And you'll know my reasoning.
It's almost funny.....on one hand I'll be 'critiqued' for being too logical, and with the next I'm "getting worked up". Well, it's both. I am stridently, and righteously against this, with a solid purpose. And, I am deeply, deeply hurt by this, upset, heartbroken, and angered. I speak about this at the wider, and the intimate, levels.
It's only these "lifestyle experimenters", these hedonists, these gender supremacists, who can reject an entire gender, coldly dismiss people, and indulge in a completely self absorbed new "lifestyle" with total 'calm', and (imagined) 'logic'.
Not me,....I'm right, completely. And I have all theology, spirituality, biology, nature, heritage, culture, morality, conscience and truth with me.
AND you'll get a lot of those 'pesky' emotions, and feelings, and pain, and anger, and poetry and 'flowery words' as well !
And my 'word jump arounds'? Well, I write like I talk......I circle around, I fly off on tangents, I bring in this and that, I'm lateral, but I always have a central theme and purpose, which I always bring home. Like a Jazz musician, I'll improvise, I'll be-bop and scat, but I'll always come back to the central motif and theme. And I'm pretty sure that you can keep up with what I am saying.
I've got to get worked up over all this. How could I NOT get worked up over all this? Look around , what is going on, how widespread this all is, the terrible rift, the schism this causes, the jealousy, the heartache, the damage, the destruction. What kind of man would I be if I didn't get so worked up?!
And, like I said, I always bring this 'worked up' state in with a solid , logical , framework!
Emotion, and intellect. Fire, and ice.
The cosmic, and the intimate.
Why it hurts....and how it hurts!
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Post by Me the nerd on Sept 13, 2008 10:13:39 GMT -5
I kept the nerd thing, simply because I am pretty much a nerd, either that or antisocial. Anyway, your point is interesting. As I tend to be more of a devil's advocate, please allow me to just try to reason against you or at least get more of a clarification (Personally, I have no opinion on either side, but hey that's just me). The point I guess I try to make is this:Does conventional ideas always make it right? Try as it might be, things are changing these days and the new generation does not always hold the opinions of the old (Your anger and such is what I basically feel about that of premarital sex and the casual acceptance in the new generation but that's totally off topic so I won't go there). With the new generation taking a more independent role, who's to say who's right or wrong? Also, if you could cite your sources, that would be appreciated.
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Post by SKOT on Sept 13, 2008 19:43:58 GMT -5
Hello again,
Good, kind of, to hear from you again, you seem alright, if a little duped by some 'modern ideas', as many people are. What is a nerd now anyway? It used to be obvious, but 'nerd chic' has been infiltrating the mainstream for a long time now. What do you mean by anti-social? A lot of people are made to feel like that, by a conceited, superficial and "cool" 'society'. I myself, could probably be deemed to be "anti-social"...or , to be more precise, anti- this'society', and the way it's going.
Yet, I am the most social of people, society is meant to be social, and I keep on reaching out to people, and often getting really hurt, but i have to.
Alright....my sources ? Try, every religious, theological and spiritual scripture, every scientific, natural, biological, psychological and medical textbook, every history book, time tested wisdom, conscience, morality, nature, biology, all social and cultural mores, fundamental human nature, our own true mind, soul and conscience.
Interesting though, and ironic, that you ask my sources for affirming and defending the truth.......whilst then also , at least seemingly, going on to 'defend' a very selfish, "independent" 'generation', who you say 'do not' hold the 'old' opinions. What is the "source" for their arrogant misuse of independence?
And their so-called "independence' is carried on the backs of those who came before, and made it possible.
And 'they' are not so independent after all........'they' are completely duped by mass media, by easy 'fashions', by "trendsetters", by corrupt suggestion, by these wayward "changes" taking place in 'society'.......and they are not independent of their most vulgar, most conceited, most selfish urges!
And this "new generation" is actually not independent, at all, they may actually be one of the stupidest.........they are not so 'independent', EVERYTHING being done now, ALL music, EVERY stitch of fashion and style, ALL design, everything....is UTTERLY derived, wholesale, from things that have already been done. And this particular "lifestyle" which we are discussing here, is one thing being rehashed......but it has NEVER been on such a widespread, and corrupting, scale as this.
Just because things are 'changing'....it does not mean for the good.....in fact, every 'change' in recent times, has been decidedly for the worse!
Yes, conventional ideas are right, because they are right! They are known to be right, and they are based upon essential truth!
Right and wrong is always right and wrong.
Thank you for your time , and questions, although you aren't as "bad" as those on here are being, your vague, undecided, "who's right, who's wrong" "modern" approach does lend a tacit 'approval' to certain behaviour. However, you haven't come at me with insults, expletives, put downs, or profanity. You do seem relatively nice.
I hope what I have written makes things more clear, and helps with more understanding.
Take care,
SKOT
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Post by Me the nerd on Sept 13, 2008 19:52:23 GMT -5
Sorry if it appeared that way, mostly I just wanted to respond directly to yours and the only way I could think to do it would be to play the adversary if you will. As for nerd and anti-social? In my definition, basically someone who sits at the computer for far too long (Something I try to fix but fail miserably all the time). Anyway, theological sources, fine I can understand that though I might not be the most theologically minded person in the world and as such don't put much faith (ha) in what they say about such topics. However, unfortunately, medical and biological textbooks say nothing of social situations. As I see it now, this is something that is occurring on a social scale and thus probably is not going to be swayed much by biological textbooks. In fact, if I were to take this as correct (http://www.narth.com/docs/bioresearch.html), it would seem that homosexuality is not biological at all (or at least very little of it is). As such, my personal stance (if not yours, understandable) in social things is that people's opinions about 'right' or 'wrong' in this case can differ depending on the environment they and you grew up in as well as their social environment. Take that as you will
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Post by SKOT on Sept 14, 2008 0:16:24 GMT -5
Hello again,
I have to say that I take that as the only way it can be. I take that as being completely wrong.
I'm not sure what the 'way' is that something appeared, that you are sorry for. Are you saying that you are only acting nice to lure me in, and then lay some insults on me? Sorry that it only may have appeared that you are nice?
And why only reply directly to me? These are the people so brazenly tampering with home truths, conceitedly breaking taboos, ripping apart the harmony of man and woman, with scant regard for consequence, and no respect for anything of depth and value. Why not play, or even better actually be, an adversary to what they are doing?
Could it be because, in the wash up now, whatever girls do, they'll still be allowed to 'get away' with it, and this stuff is just so darn "hot" now anyways?
Not sure if that part about an anti-social person as being someone who sits at a computer screen far to long is a subtle dig at me too.......but, though I do spend a considerable amount of time at the computer screen, for various reasons, I do plenty of other things as well. Just to know, I took my younger cousins out for a little while today, which was fun. I did some drum and sequencer programming, went for a run very early this morning, been dancing to some funky music..... You may , or may not, want to know that. But, just sow to add a bit more colour to the image of this particular 'anti-social' "homophobe".
And as far as your own time at the computer screen....well, I know it might seem safer than out there, where it can be really crazy, and it might seem more secure out in cyberspace....but you do wind up seeing a lot of perverse shit, don you, you find out a lot of really, really bad, arrogant , stuff that so many people are getting up to.
Hence, why I am fighting back against all this awful "lesbianism" which I have seen plastered all over the 'net.
O.K, at the very least, you do realise that the vain choice of "homosexuality" is not biological. In fact, in flys in the face of, and greatly upsets, real biology. Woman and Man IS biology !
You don't seem to be duped by the hackneyed "I was born this way" claptrap.....or the bogus myth of that ever elusive "gay gene".
However, your continued talk, very vague talk, about right and wrong being solely in the minds of those doing whatever it is they are doing, and that their "opinion" is all that matters....is ver dissapointing, and dangerous. I'm sure that in some people's "opinions" it isn't wrong, it's "right", if they molest children. In some people's "opinion" it is "alright" if they steal money, instead of actually working for it. In some people's "opinion" it is quite "alright" if they conceitedly have "sex" with their own gender.
The environment one grows up in...may....have some affect on what they do. But, in spite of it looking like very much like it , and though they have grown up in the same affluent environment, and been exposed to a lot of the same corrupting, vice-ridden media...not actually every girl in Singapore is becoming "lesbian".
While the environment one grows up in, and the surrounding social mileau can have very strong adverse affects on people. That does not wash as any kind of excuse.
All people have a conscience.
All people, inherently, know true right and wrong.
And if they claim otherwise, they are stone cold lying.
And as for the reason for all of this, this 'behaviour', which goes against all biology, undermines all society, and flies in the face of all theology.........all you have to look at is sheer arrogance...... stone cold arrogance.
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Post by Sam on Sept 14, 2008 11:15:34 GMT -5
Whoa whoa whoa, "set up vainly by Sam"? It's not like you left me with any choice with you putting your dirty paws all over my blog?
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Post by SKOT on Sept 14, 2008 18:57:16 GMT -5
You did set it up though ! And you set it up vainly !!
And I don't have 'dirty paws'. I'm clean, so fresh and so clean. Actually, a couple of years ago, when doing an occupational health and safety course, before working with elderly people, we were given a test, whereupon we had to wash our hands and have them tested with a U.V light kind of thing....and yeah, you guessed, it was moi who had the only spotessly clean hands! (now, I know you're going to shoot off about me probably being anally retentive, a compulsive obsessive, a Howard Hughes, a 'clean freak' or whatever, anything to get off the point....but that just ain't the case!) Cleanliness is next to Godliness, as they say. And a few moments of simple hygiene can fend of so much worse stuff. And my mum and dad taught me well. And I'll often do very dirty work, I'm often out and about, gettin' dirty, biking and stuff.....so I need to, and like to , get clean and fresh!!
And it is what you haven't gotten into Sam, this "lesbianism", that is dirty, completely dirty. Yes, you are very gorgeous, you are all beautiful. But this vanity that has overtaken you, this conceit, rejection, depravity and self-obsession, is dirty. What you all get up to, though you seem to outwardly so beautiful..in cafes, in your seedy nightclubs, in your 'bedrooms', your sordid, arrogant behaviour...and your vain attitude, is truly dirty. A dirtiness that's stains you inside.
And then, you all get your dirty paws all over the internet, which was intended to be a vehicle for the positive exchange of information, with your dirty 'websites' ,and your dirty 'blogs'.
And with EVERYTHING that I wrote, which you know to be true....
All you could come up with to go on about was that?...the part about this forum being vainly set up by you ?!
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